Questions for God

soffty wrote: I have been drawing an incredible amount of attention lately from people who know me and are checking to see if I am still alive, and the Feds who wonder the same thing. Today I finally figured out what i am going to do. I think I have an idea what has been happening.

I will stop posting on forums and try to complete my last ebook. I am quickly losing the ability to write. I have almost no memory and words are hard to find. This story will be about a boy who was brought up in a family where there was no love and the mother was stuck in a situation in which she could not escape.

She was chosen because she was very selfish and easy to control. The boy was engineered to be intelligent and scholarly, have no emotion, with philosophical goals, and be able to complete commitments with ease. His father was always quiet, and the boy was seldom spoken to unless it was a command or complaint.

The boy grew into adolescence and was preparing for education and then secret employment to engineer a machine to maintain another machine that will redefine mankind's ability to enslave the human race.

But the boy found a friend...who had a mother who loved him...and the boy had never seen anything like it. From that moment on he knew something was wrong, but he just couldn't see clearly. It took another 40 years and seizures to finally see how evil mankind can be.

I am ashamed of what i was supposed to be, and the 20 who took my place. We will be destroyed, so the fifth age can begin. I vote to destroy.

Wade

What a heart-wrenching story. I feel dead inside without love but at this moment I feel it for you. Thankyou.

maguru wrote:

I see everything as parts of the whole. How can nothingness expand? How would you recognize 'nothing'? I have many feelings both negative and positive. I choose to experience them all as they are the source of my humanity and life experiences.
I suppose the reason I get a bee in my bonnet over spirituality is that it seeks to deny our humanity. Just choosing the feel-good emotions isn't conducive to evolution. Suppressing the feel-bad emotions causes conflict and chaos within. This truth will out in bursts of anger or depression or a myriad of negative behaviour. The more I embrace the whole of my humanity the more aware I am and the more I understand others and the effects we have on each other.
Humanity is the core of spirituality not god, as awareness of god is through us.

How can nothingness expand ? I do not know. excepting this leaves my mind still so that I can expand with it, I do not know is my way of sitting my ego in a corner and telling it it's my turn now(spirit) you just wait until I'm ready, like you would do with a child.
How do you recognize nothing ? I feel it.

Just as taste,smell, touch, colour or sound cannot be explained using words , these have to be experienced to be KNOWN, its the same with nothingness, simply cannot be explained.

Ok is 'nothingness' the word you use to describe quietening the mind? Or beyond thought?

Spiritually seeking to deny humanity ? Spirit offers you more,humanity plus, it offers you choice, the living or the dying. Choice the only true power you have.

I have noticed that many 'spiritual ideas' deny humanity. For one 'you are not your body'.
Why is choice the only true power we have?

Where did you read from me to suppress the bad feelings? I talk about seeking them out and owning them as opposed to being the victim of them and choosing to change them

I didn't mean you personally. I was generalizing.

You say you see everything a parts of the whole and yet you see humanity as the core of Spirituality not god ? that puts the cart before the horse the dying being the core of the living.

Where else is there awareness of god besides the human mind?

A poem to lighten the moment.

Technology.
Death and destruction happen to meet
When Death came to visit the bomb blasted street
Death looked around saying 'I don't like what I see'
Destruction replied 'It's called technology
I used to just visit when nature intended
But technology means I've been human invented
These humans are greedy
Out for their own gain
They use you and I, Death
Plus suffering and pain
They all look like each other
Except for their colour
And they call themselves women and men
But you and I know
They'll come and they'll go
We'll come again and again'

Said Death, somewhat greived, 'I take just what I need
Anything more is this thing they call greed
I take away more life than I'm after
As I follow your path, faster and faster'

Destruction hugged Death and tried to console
And whispered, 'We're both under human control'

Happy Every Day
P

Hmmm a bit depressing but probably very true. However, death and destruction are parts of life, like birth and construction. Can't have one without the other.

quote="maguru" post=1393]

I see everything as parts of the whole. How can nothingness expand? How would you recognize 'nothing'? I have many feelings both negative and positive. I choose to experience them all as they are the source of my humanity and life experiences.
I suppose the reason I get a bee in my bonnet over spirituality is that it seeks to deny our humanity. Just choosing the feel-good emotions isn't conducive to evolution. Suppressing the feel-bad emotions causes conflict and chaos within. This truth will out in bursts of anger or depression or a myriad of negative behaviour. The more I embrace the whole of my humanity the more aware I am and the more I understand others and the effects we have on each other.
Humanity is the core of spirituality not god, as awareness of god is through us.

How can nothingness expand ? I do not know. excepting this leaves my mind still so that I can expand with it, I do not know is my way of sitting my ego in a corner and telling it it's my turn now(spirit) you just wait until I'm ready, like you would do with a child.
How do you recognize nothing ? I feel it.

Just as taste,smell, touch, colour or sound cannot be explained using words , these have to be experienced to be KNOWN, its the same with nothingness, simply cannot be explained.

Ok is 'nothingness' the word you use to describe quietening the mind? Or beyond thought?

Quietening the mind and going beyond thought is the way to Nothingness but it is much more, it's going beyond the idea of being human and experiencing being spiritual, it''s a suck it and see type of thing any descriptive words just don't do it justice.

Spiritually seeking to deny humanity ? Spirit offers you more,humanity plus, it offers you choice, the living or the dying. Choice the only true power you have.

I have noticed that many 'spiritual ideas' deny humanity. For one 'you are not your body'.
Why is choice the only true power we have?

There is you the human being and you the spiritual being the one you choose to be is what/who you are. choose to be only human and you pull the shutters down on you spirit self, choose to be spiritual and your human self still remains for the rest of it lifetime, this is what I mean by spirit offers you more. knowledge of this is not enough to make a choice. experience is living and knowing, you make the choice by way of ongoing experiencing.

Why is choice the only power we have?

Because 'you' (not we) are all that you have ,you are contained within a body or bubble, the whole world it outside of you, you react and respond with the outside through a mixture of feeling and emotion, you choose how you feel. you add the next experience to I AM......,. sad, happy, angry, love, empty, complete, I am choosing what I am,

Where did you read from me to suppress the bad feelings? I talk about seeking them out and owning them as opposed to being the victim of them and choosing to change them

I didn't mean you personally. I was generalizing.

opps!

You say you see everything a parts of the whole and yet you see humanity as the core of Spirituality not god ? that puts the cart before the horse the dying being the core of the living.

Where else is there awareness of god besides the human mind?

In the undivided spiritual mind/being

A poem to lighten the moment.


Happy Every Day
P

Hmmm a bit depressing but probably very true. However, death and destruction are parts of life, like birth and construction. Can't have one without the other.[/quote]

poetic licence !

How can nothingness expand ? I do not know. excepting this leaves my mind still so that I can expand with it, I do not know is my way of sitting my ego in a corner and telling it it's my turn now(spirit) you just wait until I'm ready, like you would do with a child.
How do you recognize nothing ? I feel it.

Just as taste,smell, touch, colour or sound cannot be explained using words , these have to be experienced to be KNOWN, its the same with nothingness, simply cannot be explained.

Ok is 'nothingness' the word you use to describe quietening the mind? Or beyond thought?

Quietening the mind and going beyond thought is the way to Nothingness but it is much more, it's going beyond the idea of being human and experiencing being spiritual, it''s a suck it and see type of thing any descriptive words just don't do it justice.

Then 'nothingness' is not a true description because there is much more?

Spiritually seeking to deny humanity ? Spirit offers you more,humanity plus, it offers you choice, the living or the dying. Choice the only true power you have.

I have noticed that many 'spiritual ideas' deny humanity. For one 'you are not your body'. [/quote]
My body is what makes me human.

Why is choice the only true power we have?

There is you the human being and you the spiritual being the one you choose to be is what/who you are. choose to be only human and you pull the shutters down on you spirit self, choose to be spiritual and your human self still remains for the rest of it lifetime, this is what I mean by spirit offers you more. knowledge of this is not enough to make a choice. experience is living and knowing, you make the choice by way of ongoing experiencing.

Why is choice the only power we have?

Because 'you' (not we) are all that you have ,you are contained within a body or bubble, the whole world it outside of you, you react and respond with the outside through a mixture of feeling and emotion, you choose how you feel. you add the next experience to I AM......,. sad, happy, angry, love, empty, complete, I am choosing what I am,

You say you see everything a parts of the whole and yet you see humanity as the core of Spirituality not god ? that puts the cart before the horse the dying being the core of the living.

Where else is there awareness of god besides the human mind?

In the undivided spiritual mind/being

But who else has this awareness (your mind and gods) as far as we know?

maguru wrote
Then 'nothingness' is not a true description because there is much more?

More nothingness = nothingness expanding , as I said, words don't do it justice. Try meditating to find the edge of space !! from your heart center not your head. However if you can't except the possibility of nothingness you probably won't experience it, it's not going to force itself onto you!

maguru wrote
My body is what makes me human.

Yes and the power of choice makes you Spirit, every-body has the same power of choice, very few use it

maguru wrote
But who else has this awareness (your mind and gods) as far as we know

The undivided mind has no room for "and" your mind is "gods" but is "gods" mind yours ?
(I use the word "god" as a feeling of unconditional love sharing itself with itself.)

To be honest I don't think you understand the concept of nothingness. It is no-thing. No light, no dark, no feelings, no objects, no tops, no bottoms, no corners, no thoughts, no awareness. You imagine you go into this place you call no-thing but you are there. It is not nothing when you are present and other things you imagine are present. I've heard many descriptions of this place under different names and truly, it is more like a pandoras box. This has been my experience too.

maguru wrote: To be honest I don't think you understand the concept of nothingness. It is no-thing. No light, no dark, no feelings, no objects, no tops, no bottoms, no corners, no thoughts, no awareness. You imagine you go into this place you call no-thing but you are there. It is not nothing when you are present and other things you imagine are present. I've heard many descriptions of this place under different names and truly, it is more like a pandoras box. This has been my experience too.

As I said maybe 3 times already, words do not do it justice or describe it as it has to be experienced, I can clearly see the issue here you are comparing 'your ' "pandoras box " experience to 'mine', I experience it differently to you. The same applies to your understanding of the concept of nothingness and mine "no awareness" to me is the concept of death and as a spiritual being I know this to be impossible.
You mention that I "imagine" I go somewhere and "other things are present" did I say this ? I think you are reading between the lines and in fact it's your imagination at work here !.

Happy Every Day
P