Questions for God

maguru wrote:

Angelman wrote: Now is perfect. Always was, always will be, like it or lump it, it is what it is, complete within itself, and you cannot change it, life now is the only true reality, feel free to leave it at will and create any other reality you choose to, and live with the consequences

God changing ?. peace becoming peaceful, joy rejoicing, love loving itself, gratitude being grateful. light shining brighter, creating more of itself to give to itself, this is the unchanging nature of spirit and nothing more, it's the expansion of nothingness that's often the greatest challenge for the divided mind as nothing to the ego is the symbol of it's death and the fear of it's death.
God and the Atheist have a lot of nothing in common ! - a dichotomy!- A FULL NOTHINGNESS or an EMPTY NOTHINGNESS, we know them both to choose from, nothing is concealed from you it is within you.
Happy Every Day
P

You still see god as separate, don't you? All peace love joy and light but life doesn't work that way no matter how much you try. God is life and the totality of life, excluding nothing.

A page from my website.

How To End Your Separation From Your Source

Your Source of life is, life itself, all life. That is, life with and without form which encompasses all things seen and unseen and exists beyond human and earth experience.
To recognise life beyond your human and the earth lifetime is a prerequisite for ending separation. This is because the concept of restricting or limiting life to the human and earth lifetime was and is the prerequisite of initiating the experience of separation in the first place.
This recognition of life beyond your human self involves a process of change of mind. Change of mind about how you see yourself as a human being first and foremost and a spiritual being after that human lifetime ends, or as a spiritual being first and foremost with no end to life when this human lifetime ends. How you see yourself and the importance that you place on which ever way you choose to be dictates your state of being, human or spiritual; one of which ends with death and the other is infinite and eternal.
Just as a human being slips into a dream state on a regular basis yet still remains human, a spiritual being is capable of slipping into a human state yet still remain spiritual and just as the human awakens from the dream state, the spiritual being must awaken from being human. Whereas sleeping and dreaming is involuntary for the human and so awakening is also involuntary, for the spirit to awaken from the human state it has to be a voluntary free will choice, and so, how to end separation from source is to choose to end it.

To be human is to be limited, limited to time, to birth and death, limited to cultural, religious, economic, educational, racial and geographical boundaries, rules and regulations that go with being born into this earthly world.
To be spiritual is to know that you are more then human, to feel, experience and live this knowing, to feel connected to life without any of the restrictions, rules and regulations or boundaries that are imposed onto your human self by your human self.

This changing of your mind takes practice and constant vigilance. The practice is to keep remembering, knowing and feeling your connection to life and the vigilance is required over your human self which you will revert back to every time you forget that you have changed or are changing your mind. Source or life is 'nothing' but a FEELING, a feeling of love, joy, peace, gratitude, intermingled into one and growing and sharing itself with or within itself; love loving being loved, peace being peaceful, joy being joyous and rejoicing and gratitude being grateful. This is all that is/was created and all other things will fade with time. If and when you choose this nothingness you will end the separation.

The 'nothingness' of source is complete, so when you choose to reconnect to it (for you have not left or can ever leave it) nothing is required of you. This nothing really means nothing. No thoughts, memories, dreams or desires. No connection with your human self in any way, shape or form can be put first. Just as in meditation when the mind is cleared of thoughts and you experience peaceful feelings, this clearing or changing of the mind must be extended from a time limited meditation into an everyday awareness meditation or mindfulness of how you are feeling.

Ultimately the only thing that you are truly aware of is that you are feeling or I am feeling. The key to being aware is in the recognition of how you are feeling and not why you are feeling. With this awareness of how you feel comes choice. Do you choose to continue to feel feelings you don’t like or want or do you choose to change your mind? If you focus onto why you are feeling this way you will justify and legitimise that feeling. You will have 'good reason for feeling it' and so you have chosen to keep and strengthen it and rather than change your mind you reinforce it against change. The feeling is chosen over, above or before the nothingness of peace, love, joy and gratitude and this is separation. How to end this separation is to see and know another choice and choose again and again and again…….This won’t change the past as that cannot be undone. What it will do is allow you to let go of feelings that you are carrying that are associated with the past which block you from feeling connected to life NOW.
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SubsidingInsanity wrote:

maguru wrote: Do you know of anything or anyone that stays the same? Never changes? Has god created other than himself or is it even possible when god is everything?

The world you see has nothing to do with reality. It is of your own making, and it does not exist.

ACIM

The world you see is an illusion of a world. God did not create it, for what He creates must be eternal as Himself.

ACIM

The body neither lives nor dies, because it cannot contain you who are life. . . God did not make the body, because it is destructible, and therefore not of the Kingdom. The body is the symbol of what you think you are. It is clearly a separation device, and therefore does not exist.

ACIM

There is no world apart from your ideas because ideas leave not their source, and you maintain the world within your mind in thought.

ACIM

God has never created other than himself which is why the physical universe does not exist. It is no more than a thought in our mind that we stubbornly try to make real. The fact that the universe is always changing does not reflect the changelessness of God anymore than a dream reflects reality.

maguru wrote: Ego is who you have become and is therefore a part of your true self, unless you think your true self is not a human being.

I do not think that my body is my true self. Ego is no more than an idea that we hold. It's as powerful as we make it. It's as real as we believe it to be. Ego is the thought system that projected the physical universe. It's our choice to reject God. When we change our mind about the ego and choose against it we realize what true reality is.

maguru wrote: As my ego is integrated I take full responsibility for having no respect for belief systems especially because they are built in the philosophy of someone elses' life. Some of them are way beyond belief, even ludicrous, and ridiculous, and are so far removed from reality that they belong on another planet.

You mean like believing that a perfect God created this place? I frequently remind myself that Mother Teresa was a Catholic. People can only accept what they are prepared to accept. Even though on a personal level I disagree with much of it I realize that religion has it's place.

maguru wrote: However, I do love and respect humanity. I think we deserve better and do not deserve to be compared with a 'perfect' image of god based on the model of a 'perfect' human being that has never, and never will, exist.

As I said, to me God remains perfect as does our true self. You're welcome to believe in whatever type of God you wish to believe in, but we can both agree that the “god” of the universe certainly falls short of perfection.

maguru wrote: The notions of perfection and imperfection are a human construct. I do not believe god judges his own creations this way.

There is nothing to fear. God does not forgive, because he has never condemned.

ACIM

Judgment and condemnation are ego ideas. God does not judge what does not exist, and what does exist is perfect.

ACIM was written by Helen Schucman through her experience of life. Why would her ideas be any more true than anyone elses? To say that the universe does not exist and the body does not exist defies logic and reason. If you are looking for perfection then imperfection must exist and then it comes down to preferences. If you look at how it works then it is a different story. Everything serves to bring awareness.

Angelman wrote:

maguru wrote:

Angelman wrote: Now is perfect. Always was, always will be, like it or lump it, it is what it is, complete within itself, and you cannot change it, life now is the only true reality, feel free to leave it at will and create any other reality you choose to, and live with the consequences

God changing ?. peace becoming peaceful, joy rejoicing, love loving itself, gratitude being grateful. light shining brighter, creating more of itself to give to itself, this is the unchanging nature of spirit and nothing more, it's the expansion of nothingness that's often the greatest challenge for the divided mind as nothing to the ego is the symbol of it's death and the fear of it's death.
God and the Atheist have a lot of nothing in common ! - a dichotomy!- A FULL NOTHINGNESS or an EMPTY NOTHINGNESS, we know them both to choose from, nothing is concealed from you it is within you.
Happy Every Day
P

You still see god as separate, don't you? All peace love joy and light but life doesn't work that way no matter how much you try. God is life and the totality of life, excluding nothing.

No I don't, I feel the thing called god as life it all it's totality and I KNOW I have Choice- excluding nothing means including nothing. do you KNOW this feeling Maguru of nothingness expanding ? I do and I choose it as the most important thing in my life, I feel it as HOME and I am absolutely connected to this and not separate from it, it is possible to be at peace in the midst of war and chaos.

I see everything as parts of the whole. How can nothingness expand? How would you recognize 'nothing'? I have many feelings both negative and positive. I choose to experience them all as they are the source of my humanity and life experiences.
I suppose the reason I get a bee in my bonnet over spirituality is that it seeks to deny our humanity. Just choosing the feel-good emotions isn't conducive to evolution. Suppressing the feel-bad emotions causes conflict and chaos within. This truth will out in bursts of anger or depression or a myriad of negative behaviour. The more I embrace the whole of my humanity the more aware I am and the more I understand others and the effects we have on each other.
Humanity is the core of spirituality not god, as awareness of god is through us.

maguru wrote: ACIM was written by Helen Schucman through her experience of life. Why would her ideas be any more true than anyone elses? To say that the universe does not exist and the body does not exist defies logic and reason. If you are looking for perfection then imperfection must exist and then it comes down to preferences. If you look at how it works then it is a different story. Everything serves to bring awareness.

I understand your skepticism that Jesus wrote ACIM through Helen Schucman. Personally, I feel the same way about the Bible. What's interesting though is that modern day Quantum Physics is showing that the universe does not exist other than as a projection of consciousness. What is a dream if not a projection of consciousness? You'll find that the more we discover about the nature of existence the more the limits of logic disappear. What's "reasonable" is simply a matter of what you are willing to accept. Perception = deception. Check out the following link.

www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/physics_quantum.htm

SubsidingInsanity wrote:

maguru wrote: ACIM was written by Helen Schucman through her experience of life. Why would her ideas be any more true than anyone elses? To say that the universe does not exist and the body does not exist defies logic and reason. If you are looking for perfection then imperfection must exist and then it comes down to preferences. If you look at how it works then it is a different story. Everything serves to bring awareness.

I understand your skepticism that Jesus wrote ACIM through Helen Schucman. Personally, I feel the same way about the Bible. What's interesting though is that modern day Quantum Physics is showing that the universe does not exist other than as a projection of consciousness. What is a dream if not a projection of consciousness? You'll find that the more we discover about the nature of existence the more the limits of logic disappear. What's "reasonable" is simply a matter of what you are willing to accept. Perception = deception. Check out the following link.

www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/physics_quantum.htm

The link wouldn't work but I am familiar with quantum physics and it is all built on theory. There is no proof, just possibilities. The scientists will tell you the same. If the possibilities become a reality, which some do, then it is real. I wouldn't say that I am skeptical. I understand how the human mind works and how we perceive through our personal experiences. This was the same for Jesus, Helen Schuman, Ekhart Tolle, and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all. Personal experiences from one point of view is not reliable and I test them as I would in any experiment.

In saying the universe does not exist and is just a projection of consciousness, I have to ask "how did the image of a non-existent universe get into consciousness in the first place'? There is no awareness without 'an-other' to become aware of.

maguru wrote: The link wouldn't work but I am familiar with quantum physics and it is all built on theory. There is no proof, just possibilities. The scientists will tell you the same.

Here is the link.

www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/physics_quantum.htm

You may need to copy and paste it as there are some bugs in this site. For some reason only half the link hyperlinked. The scientists will tell you that science never proves anything. It's all theories. The existence of the universe is just a theory.

maguru wrote: If the possibilities become a reality, which some do, then it is real.

The possibilities appear real only to the observer.

THE OBSERVER EFFECT

Fundamental to contemporary Quantum Theory is the notion that there is no phenomenon until it is observed. This effect is known as the 'Observer Effect'. 1

The implications of the 'Observer Effect' are profound because, if true, it means that before anything can manifest in the physical universe it must first be observed. Presumably observation cannot occur without the pre-existence of some sort of consciousness to do the observing. The Observer Effect clearly implies that the physical Universe is the direct result of 'consciousness'.

This notion has a striking resemblance to perennial esoteric theory which asserts that all phenomena are the result of the consciousness of a single overlighting Creative Principle or the Mind of God.

There is a delicious irony in all this. Contemporary Western scientific theory postulates that human consciousness is solely a result of the workings of a physical brain, yet if the observer effect is correct, the physical matter comprising a brain cannot come into existence until it is the subject of observation by some pre-existing consciousness.

www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/observer_effect.htm

maguru wrote: I wouldn't say that I am skeptical. I understand how the human mind works and how we perceive through our personal experiences. This was the same for Jesus, Helen Schuman, Ekhart Tolle, and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all. Personal experiences from one point of view is not reliable and I test them as I would in any experiment.

Then you are testing them from your point of view and changing what is there in the process. Research Copenhagen Interpretation.

In fact what the Copenhagen Interpretation revealed is that energy is waves and when ATTENTION is placed on it, all other probabilities collapse (wave forms) and a "particle" (matter) is formed.

The thoughts and perceptions of the scientist doing the observing determined which one it was...waves or particles.

Because This Is SO Significant I REPEAT....

The subatomic particles (waves) being studied by the scientists responded to, transmuted and appeared as particles (matter) based on the individual thought of the scientist who was studying it. In other words it was the scientists mode of THINKING and "perceptions" that determined which one it would be!!

In other words the energy being studied took form immediately based on the thoughts and beliefs of the scientist who was observing it IF that scientist expected to see particles and if he didn't it remained as WAVES!!

www.abundance-and-happiness.com/quantum-physics.html

maguru wrote: In saying the universe does not exist and is just a projection of consciousness, I have to ask "how did the image of a non-existent universe get into consciousness in the first place'? There is no awareness without 'an-other' to become aware of.

That is a profound question that is open to speculation. If you are interested I can give you the ACIM explanation, but to my knowledge science doesn't address it yet.