how scientists lie to the world

Hey man, I agree that scientists aren't my cup of tea. But what were you doing trying to scientifically prove something on a science forum? You knew what that meant.

You are being emotional and responsive. You don't like to be disrespected. I am the same. We all are.

I have a quest for you. I think you will be happy about it. If you are not, let me know. Google Wade Welch deal or no deal. It is only 25 pages and may change your life. It has 6,000 readers and good reviews.

Plus, I wrote Act Of Giving, Home Sweet Hell, and my autobiography. They are all short and free.

Consider this...that attitude only matters if it is yours. We expect others to have it. If we try to change the world then if we get to 20 people we have outdone our expectations...as 20 people is enough for a lifetime.

People do not like truth, and they will not deal with truth...but they will surely think that they are. And if you want to read about a person who had a strange life...my dad is a secret Fed and screwed me my whole life because I said "no" when I was recruited. I am now 55 and have "died" twice, was arrested and committed to a psyche ward where I had angels save my ass, and have totally given up material possessions other than a car, tools, and clothing. I have had the Secret Service come to my house and threaten my family. If anyone has earned the right to talk about trutrh, it would be a person who has openly stood up for truth and has paid the price. I am only alive now because I was saved.

But, if you don't care I understand. Only a couple hundred will ever care.

Wade

xxx200, have you considered the possibility that science will ultimately disprove itself? Check out

www.openenlightenment.com/forum/4-genera...ture-of-the-universe

I have always liked that post you made fellow insanity master. I think our main existence is in spirit form, and we are temporarily existing on this particle called earth. Once we are back in spirit form, we may well be able to do much more and particles may seem a little different from that perspective.

I am not hung up on trying to apply all concepts into our current life. I wish it was something we can do now and enjoy, but mankind is just not ready right now. We are hung up on our true purpose, and that is ego. I know you guys are tired of hearing about that, and that it is truly boring, but in fact, what could be more boring than seeing exactly what the truth of mankind is right now.

If ego deludes us, as it truly does, then we start each day behind a rock. WE have to change the world, and that will take more than one life. That is why we have to do the boring work now. So we can move forward. If we study history, the forward movement we have had is mainly a materialistic and scientific one. The humanistic movement is not forward at all.

Sure, we may not suffer as much in many ways, but then, suffering was always our salvation. Show me ten honest people all in one place and I will change my mind. I have never seen more tyhan one or two at a time, and that is rare.

Truth is not pretty. We are human. Ouch!

Wade

i have an analogy about science. just see how it looks.

science is like a religion. nature is its god. darwin is the son of god(only begotten son) .school, college and universities are churches of science. all academics worshipping darwin in universities are cardinals. all academics worshipping darwin in colleges are bishops. all academics worshipping darwin in schools are just priests. everybody is defending theory of evolution which is the word of god.

how is the analogy?

Mankind has little to do with truth. How can we? Our brains are being utilized in a realm where vibration controls everything. Negative and positive charges that have to balance. We see through a perspective that is delusional. We are born into a society that has no value for truth. And we are living among humans.

How difficult does it have to be? It is darn near impossible. The definition of the future of humanity is defined by the 1/1000th of 1%. Yet, not only is that our reality...it is enough to get the job done.

I have a question that will establish value in my words...if anyone can even begin to answer it. Who are you really? No baloney, no excuses, no assumptions, no guesses. Look inward and tell me...who are you?

If you have the ability to be honest, you will not answer that question in less than a year or two. You have to get beyond the delusion first. Plus, you have to care...and then you have to get off your ass and do something. You have to admit to not knowing the answers, and then seek them.

Wade

xxx200, good analogy. I see such things in terms of idols. I happen to study ACIM so pardon me if what I say sounds way far out, but basically anything that we put before God or even rely on to sustain us that is not God is an idol. The doctor makes an idol of medicine. The scientist makes an idol of science. Even such things as food and the air that we breath are idols. I know how that sounds, but there are people who have lived for many years without eating. There are people who can enter what is called the breathless state. A quick Google search will confirm it.