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11 years 1 month ago #926 by xxx200
friends scientists say that our way is unscientific. why? because we do not arrive at conclusion by following scientific method: hypothesis, experiment, conclusion. so in this thread we use scientific method to justify ourselves. lets form hypothesis:

there may be 2 possibilities:

1] we are wrong.

2] scientists are wrong.

well, today millions of people in the world are doing new age things and got benefitted. millions of books, practitioners, followers, shops, fairs, tv shows around the world are evidence of the above statement. if new age things really harm people, nobody will practice them. millions of people who experience new age technique cannot be wrong. if they are wrong then, the mainstream medical science which is used by the same millions of people is also wrong. so we are not wrong. thus the first hypothesis is rejected.

now come to the point. how many scientists who claim that new age is bogus, really experience and properly practice new age techniques? very few if not none. so how come they know that new age is bogus? it is the same way if you don't know medical science you cannot comment on it. so therefore certainly scientists are wrong.

when this scientists will stop pretending to know something they don't know?

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11 years 1 month ago #927 by SubsidingInsanity
Welcome to the forum. Interesting hypothesis. I look forward to having some great discussions with you.

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11 years 1 month ago #930 by xcerca7
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Hmm, I am not 100% certain I know what you are referring to. I find that many scientists are open to the idea of physic phenomena, healing, etc.

Science measures things that are observable, and repeatable. So your data would correct:

"well, today millions of people in the world are doing new age things and got benefitted. millions of books, practitioners, followers, shops, fairs, tv shows around the world are evidence of the above statement."

We must embrace all sides, to form a more perfect world.

There is a great movie out called "What the Bleep! Do we know: Down the rabbit hole" , in which many reputable scientists and physicists demonstrate and explain how thought affects reality and perception; and how human phenomena such as group coherence, psychic ability, and consciousnesses can be explained by science. I find that the two are not separate, and it is not good to discredit one field in favor of the other.

The human mind has two hemispheres, one deals with abstraction and creativity, while the other deals with analytic and calculation. To be whole minded, you must integrate the two, which is one of the things we are trying to accomplish here.

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11 years 1 month ago #934 by xxx200
scientists want to measure things first then they believe in things. but not all thing can be measurable. for example mind, consciousness thought cannot be measurable. so are love, hate, happiness, sorrow, soul, psych.

see a huge area of knowledge is outside the grip of scientists since they cannot believe things which is not measurable.

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11 years 1 month ago #935 by soffty
I don't know where you live, but here in America, lies are the fabric of our existence. We live through an egoic delusion and if even confronted by an honest person, tend to have negative thoughts about that person simply because we are used to only having to compare with liars.

Scientists may lie, but I would suggest that there are no more liars doing research than there are sitting in their chairs judging and assuming.

I recommend googling Jay Alfred. He is a scientist that is far more on the leading edge of new thinking than anyone here, including me and you.

Here is a thought. It is quite likely that anyone who has not already done so, would run and hide in a closet, if they had to view who they really are. Less than 1% venture outside their ego and face truth. Feeling brave? Read about ego and what life is truly all about.

Wade

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11 years 1 month ago #936 by xxx200
look it may be that some scientists support you and people like you but what is the percentage of those scientists in comparison to total number of scientists? not more than 1%.

i tried to prove metaphysics in a science forum. they ask for evidence. the more evidence i provide, the more they say that those evidence are fake. they consider ALL my evidences are fake. but they cannot tell me why and how my evidences are fake.

so this attitude is very unscientific.

i believe in what sir francis bacon said; always consider both supporting and contrarary evidences to arrive at truth. but here i think scientists never consider evidences that contradicts their hypothesis. how could they know the truth?

this attitude is very bad thing.

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