Internalize This Paradox... or Seek Higher Power?

I would call you mister Angelman, but in this post I will say doctor Angelman. As it is obvious, I am the least likely person in the online world to seek popularity. I am very impressed with your dedication to truth, and not popularity. Or I could just say Paul, but for now, doctor, as I would welcome any criticism from you on any day.

It is a warm feeling to share truth as an important consideration. Sure, truth is a word that is used in different ways, but you know which definition I am speaking of. It is the overall foundation of existence that supports a specific component of life. It can be this temporary physical life, or it can be the before and after. As the word is commonly used on a forum like this, it either describes 1) the reality beyond this illusion of life, or 2) the realization of the delusion our species embraces.

I really like Goosy as well. You two guys are a great focal point when you are exchanging perspectives.

I am posting here because it is a good time to emphasize the manner in which people think. I could use the Chakra test above as an example. It is focused on the reality that is within the delusion of this life. To be more accurate and specific, it is saturated with ego. Part of ego is the extreme focus on one's inner voice, the total devotion to ME, ME, ME. My success in my career, the reception of accolades from peers, my orgasms, my partners dedication to my orgasms, my wealth, and my ability to get what I want from anyone at any time.

Once we have all that at the top of our list, then we can take a Chakra test.

People as a whole are totally devoted to the ego. Even online in a spiritual context...the most common diffrence in people here and the outside world is that they have reduced their dominance by ego. They still prefer to think all about the consciousness and awareness and how they can benefit from that idea. But if we grab our ear and pull ourselves down to Earth, we can be at ground level with truth again, and realize that we have to actually change who we are and what we do if we want to have less vibration (ego) when we die and go down the path of light.

I think it boils down to one basic choice first...the easy road or the hard road. Suffering is the difference. Suffering forces a person to deal with issues that are not on the want list, and the WANT LIST is numbero uno on the personal preference chart. The truth about our ego is that we have to sacrfice, and to deal with our personal issues. This is not what people do as a whole.

So yes. 1) We are alone. 2) We have a choice. 3) We will die. That is life...the illusion as you call it. Then after this choice, that is life, we are stuck in the reality of the truth (not illusion) of how our choice affects us on a spiritual level. One day, probably in a very long time, humans will not be alone (receive the Act of Giving)...spend our time working on our choice instead of the delusion...and die in a condition we have obtained that allows us to define our afterlife.

Doctor Angel, sir, do you see any truth here?

Wade

@ Angelman

By most people i mean most people on this planet.
What i meant was that even people who claim themselves to be spiritual, do not always
inquirer to that which is observing / experiencing.
I actually have little interest in spirituality, yet self inquiry seems to reside under that term.
If one is set to figure out what having a human experience is all about, it becomes unavoidable
to ask the question: " Who is having it?"
Your way of describing things makes it kinda fun for me to read what you are actually saying.
I can kinda see what you're saying with terms like "unconditional love" , "oneness" and
"god being a feeling within". And it does not strike a wrong chord whatsoever.
The thing where my attention seems to focus on is the distinctions you seem to make
between ego and a spiritual self.
Again, i might just be misinterpreting terms.
Even in this experience which seems to be happening which i could call , living,
i have no way of knowing if i am self conscious or that the Universe is having a novel experience
of itself through a human experience. Inside out so to speak.
For me, there seem to be just different forms of awareness which are all an expression
of that which underlies everything.
I have no need to mention what it is, everything is an expression of it.
The ego , the outside world , the realisation of the actual unreality of their interactions and so on.

At times when realisation dawns there can be a clear understanding of the numerous
factors presiding such realisation, to observe a certain interaction where circumstances have
been just so to provoke a certain feeling and realising that without the road being travelled the
interpretation of that interaction would be very different. The notion of understanding that, the so-
called outside influences provoking a response, the seeming separate entity experiencing it, time, which makes it possible to have the illusion of complete understanding not being always present,...all those things combined can make for a clear seeing which can only be pointed at like a great magic trick happening in front of you.
At times like that it becomes absurd to define the experience, or to have thoughts occur that they
are happening to a separate entity, or to think that anything can ever be not complete and total.
Gratitude and maybe a tear of joy is the usual response.
Even though there cannot be anything left out, to see people choose between distinctions or to see people seek permanent states of being creates a great sadness when the realisation dawns of what they are missing out on.

That is why i use the term of it striking a wrong chord and feel compelled to mention that Zen saying:(completely this time)
"The world is illusionary, Brahman alone is real, the world IS Brahman".

Again , we might be just having different ways of expression, i have made an attempt at
expressing myself to clarify.
As you also mention, i do not seek popularity, i just feel compelled to share the possibility.

soffty wrote: I would call you mister Angelman, but in this post I will say doctor Angelman. As it is obvious, I am the least likely person in the online world to seek popularity. I am very impressed with your dedication to truth, and not popularity. Or I could just say Paul, but for now, doctor, as I would welcome any criticism from you on any day.

It is a warm feeling to share truth as an important consideration. Sure, truth is a word that is used in different ways, but you know which definition I am speaking of. It is the overall foundation of existence that supports a specific component of life. It can be this temporary physical life, or it can be the before and after. As the word is commonly used on a forum like this, it either describes 1) the reality beyond this illusion of life, or 2) the realization of the delusion our species embraces.

I really like Goosy as well. You two guys are a great focal point when you are exchanging perspectives.

I am posting here because it is a good time to emphasize the manner in which people think. I could use the Chakra test above as an example. It is focused on the reality that is within the delusion of this life. To be more accurate and specific, it is saturated with ego. Part of ego is the extreme focus on one's inner voice, the total devotion to ME, ME, ME. My success in my career, the reception of accolades from peers, my orgasms, my partners dedication to my orgasms, my wealth, and my ability to get what I want from anyone at any time.

Once we have all that at the top of our list, then we can take a Chakra test.

People as a whole are totally devoted to the ego. Even online in a spiritual context...the most common diffrence in people here and the outside world is that they have reduced their dominance by ego. They still prefer to think all about the consciousness and awareness and how they can benefit from that idea. But if we grab our ear and pull ourselves down to Earth, we can be at ground level with truth again, and realize that we have to actually change who we are and what we do if we want to have less vibration (ego) when we die and go down the path of light.

I think it boils down to one basic choice first...the easy road or the hard road. Suffering is the difference. Suffering forces a person to deal with issues that are not on the want list, and the WANT LIST is numbero uno on the personal preference chart. The truth about our ego is that we have to sacrfice, and to deal with our personal issues. This is not what people do as a whole.

So yes. 1) We are alone. 2) We have a choice. 3) We will die. That is life...the illusion as you call it. Then after this choice, that is life, we are stuck in the reality of the truth (not illusion) of how our choice affects us on a spiritual level. One day, probably in a very long time, humans will not be alone (receive the Act of Giving)...spend our time working on our choice instead of the delusion...and die in a condition we have obtained that allows us to define our afterlife.

Doctor Angel, sir, do you see any truth here?

Wade

There is nothing wrong out of place or before it's time, everything is in perfect order for us/you /me to learn about what I AM.
When me me me get' gets gets and still find there's an emptiness wanting more, and all that we have hasn't taken away the sadness and fear, when we have had our fill of what we think this world has to offer (INCLUDING THOUGHTS OF A SPIRITUAL HAPPY EVER AFTER FOR EVERYBODY) we then seek within for a deeper meaning, this happens in the same process as birth-one at a time-when you wake from a dream all the events and characters disappear and you get on with life, we are learning to let it go and get on with life, not get it right,as it's perfect now as it is. When we can let this world go when we are still in it that's when we see through the illusion and we find peace and when we know peace and choose it to be enough there is no "afterlife" as we merge with LIFE .
My partner sometimes calls me doctor to ! doctor do little !

I remember once getting a teaching in a vision where I entered a fairground and was handed a token which entitled me to as many free rides as I liked, and as the vision played itself out I went from one ride to another again and again but soon got bored with the same old same old but at the same time I didn't want to give up the token as I had given it some value. Then I realized the teaching, the fairground represented the earth or human experience and the token was free will in order to leave, free will has to be surrendered.

Gooseone wrote: @ Angelman

By most people i mean most people on this planet.
What i meant was that even people who claim themselves to be spiritual, do not always
inquirer to that which is observing / experiencing.
I actually have little interest in spirituality, yet self inquiry seems to reside under that term.
If one is set to figure out what having a human experience is all about, it becomes unavoidable
to ask the question: " Who is having it?"
Your way of describing things makes it kinda fun for me to read what you are actually saying.
I can kinda see what you're saying with terms like "unconditional love" , "oneness" and
"god being a feeling within". And it does not strike a wrong chord whatsoever.
The thing where my attention seems to focus on is the distinctions you seem to make
between ego and a spiritual self.
Again, i might just be misinterpreting terms.
Even in this experience which seems to be happening which i could call , living,
i have no way of knowing if i am self conscious or that the Universe is having a novel experience
of itself through a human experience. Inside out so to speak.
For me, there seem to be just different forms of awareness which are all an expression
of that which underlies everything.
I have no need to mention what it is, everything is an expression of it.
The ego , the outside world , the realisation of the actual unreality of their interactions and so on.

At times when realisation dawns there can be a clear understanding of the numerous
factors presiding such realisation, to observe a certain interaction where circumstances have
been just so to provoke a certain feeling and realising that without the road being travelled the
interpretation of that interaction would be very different. The notion of understanding that, the so-
called outside influences provoking a response, the seeming separate entity experiencing it, time, which makes it possible to have the illusion of complete understanding not being always present,...all those things combined can make for a clear seeing which can only be pointed at like a great magic trick happening in front of you.
At times like that it becomes absurd to define the experience, or to have thoughts occur that they
are happening to a separate entity, or to think that anything can ever be not complete and total.
Gratitude and maybe a tear of joy is the usual response.
Even though there cannot be anything left out, to see people choose between distinctions or to see people seek permanent states of being creates a great sadness when the realisation dawns of what they are missing out on.

That is why i use the term of it striking a wrong chord and feel compelled to mention that Zen saying:(completely this time)
"The world is illusionary, Brahman alone is real, the world IS Brahman".

Again , we might be just having different ways of expression, i have made an attempt at
expressing myself to clarify.
As you also mention, i do not seek popularity, i just feel compelled to share the possibility.

I didn't set out as a seeker of spirit or inquirer of self, life just unfolded. I would now call this process guided.
I know of two different selves the human me with a story to tell, a name, a history, a face, a shape, a brain that questions, and feels anger sadness hate emptiness and unloved and will die.
I also know I am spirit self which is nameless and faceless and without shape has no sense of self ,no questions and feels love and peace.
I know I can switch from one to the other in the blink of an eye or i can choose which one I want to be. I make my choice guided by my experience not by unanswered questions because I have learned the questions never stop so I apply the one answer to all questions "I do not know" and I remain peaceful, what I need to know presents itself to me when I'm peaceful outside of that I don't really care ! it's all an illusion anyway !!

@ Angelman

I share the experience of life unfolding itself.
It seems that that which drew my attention was a matter of getting "lost in translation"
Seeing there are a lot of different expressions of the one, that tends to happen.
The urge to point anything out has subsided.
Maybe our interaction can be of some use through exemplifying that most experiences
are not alike, and making concepts of what anything will be is quite futile.
In that sense, depending on ones outlook, internalising a paradox or seeking higher power
could be seen as the exact same thing.
Thanks for your replies.

Thank you for the comments - and for giving me a lot to think and feel about.

I'm beginning to really love this forum!
It seems to be full of people who are not only spiritually but also intellectually motivated.
What a breath of fresh air!

For about a couple of years, I've repeatedly got the message, "BELIEVE!" over and over.
The funniest repetition is the song from Journey - "Don't stop believing"... I can't count how many times, I'd hear it in the car, at the store or at home when I turn on some music. Then my sister gives me a journal with "Believe" written on it. Many other times I've received messages to believe.
All the while, I'm thinking, "Believe WHAT?"

A few things mentioned in this thread have helped me realize that it really doesn't matter so much what we believe - well it does need to be functional/healthy - but there are many beliefs that apply in that way. Thank you for helping me realize that belief is personal - & that it's about creating and maintaing good spirits within.

Now the challenge is to trust oneself enough to value one's own thoughts and feelings...