Is it possible to defend humanity?

At a forum website, IsGodImaginary?, Christians debate with atheists. It makes me wonder if it is a requirement to be non-materialistic to establish equity in human behavior. This is my latest post:

If we were going to define humanity and our society, and wanted to assume a stance that was based on facts and truth, we would have to be extraterrestial. In fact, we would have to be interdimensional. Otherwise we would be unable to utilize sound judgment.

Humanity is willing to build its existence upon a planet of lies. Our history proves over and over that we cannot be trusted. We, ourselves, would not trust us. We assume a critical stance at any opportunity so we can lash out at anything that has the ability to throw truth in our direction.

We are so flawed that we seldom even care about our reality. We live our daily life with an automatically compromised definition. We are materialistic and we work to control perception. We want to control as much of society as we can and assume any advantage that allows us to benefit in a materialistic manner.

If a person does not like the ugly truth, and joins a religious club so they may employ the simplest method to oppose our unwanted reality, they are attacked by armchair quarterbacks that do nothing to help but criticize. They have empty words because they are living a lie.

An atheist who is critical is first, a materialistic success, and then a non believer in humanity. They believe in nothing, and oppose anything that shows where the actual truth lies...history, science, or fellowship. They focus on the simplest and weakest of oppositions...religion.

So, religion does not seek truth...it seeks equity in humanity. Atheism seeks to oppose the weakest opponent and denies any equity at all. No one is opening the door to reality, as both of these flawed human behaviors are limiting the amount of truth. And if a person comes along who has answers, both of these flawed human behaviors refuse to particpate.

What would you, the interdimensional extraterrestial, think of a world infected with lies and selfish desires, based on a materialistic lack of understanding? Might you wonder exactly how an intelligent lifeform could survive at all?

I feel an objective view would be everything you say but without judgement or comparison to a 'perfect' human. This is humanity as is. Not good, not bad as for every positive aspect there is a negative.
I believe each of us are living our lives the best way we can and the only way we know. I have faith in the human race in that 'when we know better, we do better'. Though, I do feel the dismay at the one-eyed, blinkered, self-righteous views of the world.

I watch TV movies on Showtime about the true history of the United States, and as they go through each illegal act, one after the other, that our government perpetrated on the world, and then lied about it publicly...blaming everything on imaginary communists and...I remember the responses my Dad had as I asked questions relating to the specifics.

He lied to me, as he knew exactly what was going on, and told me how wonderful and great this country is. This United States was the single most corrupt country in the world due to its power to destroy and control. The CIA was a perverted organization, and still is, as they have no limitations to what they will do.

Since I refused to join up with these corrupt and perverted government systems that my Dad worked within, I became an enemy of the state. I had no idea what was going on until the last stages and these TV movies verified my doubts as to my Dad's involvement.

As Carole and I tried to build a life together, we both did a good job...with Carole doing a great job. She had no idea that I was an unofficial but actual enemy of the state. She did not know that I had turned down the scholarship and employment from the secret societies that run our government and military.

My Dad knew all along, throughout my life, that this country was operating illegally and covertly. I was always lead to believe that we were the good guys. I just had a bad feeling about selling out to such secret operations. So all I did was say "no".

Now, as I look back, I understand fully why I was ruined by the Feds. And why my Dad never defended me against them. Carole was a completely innocent victim in all of this. I was innocent as well, but was naive as I at least was witness to the evil that my dad was involved in.

Our Federal government is a covert and perverted operation that has no problem becoming organized crime and attacking normal citizens with systems perpetrated by those same people recruited by the Feds who stood beside me, before I turned away from them.

Humanity has a line drawn between those who will and will not accept a role in becoming a pervert. That line was drawn betweem me and my dad. And throughout my life I was so easily the victim because I believed in my Dad. And as I sit here with my half-dead brain, I accept my role in helping my father be the evil pervert.

That is what love does.

soffty wrote: I watch TV movies on Showtime about the true history of the United States, and as they go through each illegal act, one after the other, that our government perpetrated on the world, and then lied about it publicly...blaming everything on imaginary communists and...I remember the responses my Dad had as I asked questions relating to the specifics.

He lied to me, as he knew exactly what was going on, and told me how wonderful and great this country is. This United States was the single most corrupt country in the world due to its power to destroy and control. The CIA was a perverted organization, and still is, as they have no limitations to what they will do.

Since I refused to join up with these corrupt and perverted government systems that my Dad worked within, I became an enemy of the state. I had no idea what was going on until the last stages and these TV movies verified my doubts as to my Dad's involvement.

As Carole and I tried to build a life together, we both did a good job...with Carole doing a great job. She had no idea that I was an unofficial but actual enemy of the state. She did not know that I had turned down the scholarship and employment from the secret societies that run our government and military.

My Dad knew all along, throughout my life, that this country was operating illegally and covertly. I was always lead to believe that we were the good guys. I just had a bad feeling about selling out to such secret operations. So all I did was say "no".

Now, as I look back, I understand fully why I was ruined by the Feds. And why my Dad never defended me against them. Carole was a completely innocent victim in all of this. I was innocent as well, but was naive as I at least was witness to the evil that my dad was involved in.

Our Federal government is a covert and perverted operation that has no problem becoming organized crime and attacking normal citizens with systems perpetrated by those same people recruited by the Feds who stood beside me, before I turned away from them.

Humanity has a line drawn between those who will and will not accept a role in becoming a pervert. That line was drawn betweem me and my dad. And throughout my life I was so easily the victim because I believed in my Dad. And as I sit here with my half-dead brain, I accept my role in helping my father be the evil pervert.

That is what love does.

Oh my, I must say your posts generally knock my socks off. I have no doubt that some appearing to be the good guy do not appear to be in their actions. I was married to one and like you, naive and innocent. It's a terrible blow when the truth dawns. It's traumatic.
I haven't 'got over it' as some suggest I should. What I do know now is that no-one thinks of themselves as 'bad' and the transgressions are easily justified from a one-eyed perspective. It's as though some form of brainwashing has occurred that prevents a different perspective from emerging. I've experienced this time after time. It's as though the mind is totally closed to others' experience.
I've found by judging this as right or wrong isn't the answer. It's cause and effect though both are denied by a closed mind that cannot see another way.
This man I married passed some of his traits onto my (adult) children and there is no way I can get through to them. It's horrific. I can't tell you how many times I've taken a metaphorical beating for pointing out an ugly truth. However, I know they are innocent in that they know no better.
Our stories are very different but I deeply relate to your loss. I have to accept it as is but I will never condone or be a part of it. I have to live by the courage of my convictions and stay true to myself.
I wish you well, Paula

Hi Paula. I understand very well your dilemma and frustration. What I especially feel is your situation as you get blamed for the bottom line.

Marilyn Monroe had some quotes about situations like yours. If we consider your life had it been perfect, you would be a different person now. I think we have a purpose, one we likely selected ourselves, that involves suffering...as suffering is the most important and successful manner of keeping our life's purpose intact.

I have no doubt that you are a beautiful and graceful feminine soulform, who would have an equally beautiful life, had it been the time and place. Through your words you have shared, I can tell that you are not the typical American example of humanity. You are a person who has choices most people do not.

You came into this incarnation form a source not as common as most. Your life was the result of choices. Most people incarnate with the indirect goal of just having a chance to go to the place you came from. They are many lives away from having any true purpose other than a simple self-serving one.

I just wanted you to know that I noticed you. And you are appreciated. And you have a true strength, not an inconsistent rebounding toward the simplest route. You would not have been satisfied taking the easy path. Yes, the suffering was not what you expected. I have a feeling your actual life is now just beginning.

Wade

soffty wrote: Hi Paula. I understand very well your dilemma and frustration. What I especially feel is your situation as you get blamed for the bottom line.

Marilyn Monroe had some quotes about situations like yours. If we consider your life had it been perfect, you would be a different person now. I think we have a purpose, one we likely selected ourselves, that involves suffering...as suffering is the most important and successful manner of keeping our life's purpose intact.

I have no doubt that you are a beautiful and graceful feminine soulform, who would have an equally beautiful life, had it been the time and place. Through your words you have shared, I can tell that you are not the typical American example of humanity. You are a person who has choices most people do not.

You came into this incarnation form a source not as common as most. Your life was the result of choices. Most people incarnate with the indirect goal of just having a chance to go to the place you came from. They are many lives away from having any true purpose other than a simple self-serving one.

I just wanted you to know that I noticed you. And you are appreciated. And you have a true strength, not an inconsistent rebounding toward the simplest route. You would not have been satisfied taking the easy path. Yes, the suffering was not what you expected. I have a feeling your actual life is now just beginning.

Wade

Thankyou for your kind words. I'm truly moved. I do wish my children could see me through your eyes but maybe it is for me to see?
As regards to the suffering, I felt the same of you in that there is a bigger picture to our lives. I envision a humanity that does not inflict suffering on one another. Lord knows, there are enough natural tragedies to nurture our empathy and compassion.
I believe the extent of human suffering will tip the scales so that current lifestyles can no longer be sustained. God help us then, or should I say 'help them' as suffering has become second nature to me, and millions of others, who will remain standing. with luv and appreciation, Paula